I absolutely would have LOVED a scene with the two of them discussing that. I wouldn’t necessarily say that I’m annoyed at how it was (or wasn’t) dealt with, but I do admit that it would have been nice to see. I’m always in need of more Mickey & Mandy scenes.
I think that a big reason they didn’t have a scene like that is the fact that, for the most part, it seems that the Milkoviches tend to stay out of each other’s business unless it involves bashing heads in. We know that Mandy has no problem with homosexuality, and as much as it probably surprised her that Mickey was gay (or at least fucking another guy for quite some time), she didn’t see any point in bringing it up. On top of that, Mandy had her own shit going on with Lip, and that was most likely top on her list of concerns.
Though I never personally thought Mandy would be too concerned with the fact that Mickey might be gay, I always imagined Mandy initially getting upset and even offended that her best friend (and former “boyfriend”) has been fucking her brother behind her back… but then being accepting of it once the shock wore off. I always thought that her finding out would lead to a conversation about it with Ian at the very least, and as much as I was hoping for her to discuss it with Mickey, I’m not exactly surprised that she didn’t.
I did, however, REALLY like the way she let him know that she knew. We can’t be sure yet that she supports their relationship, but at the very least, she didn’t try to tell Mickey that he doesn’t deserve Ian, which is one of the theories I’ve always had relating to how I thought she might react. Instead, she let him know that he should have done more to keep Ian from leaving, and left it at that.
She’s only just found out the fact that Mickey is gay, and probably doesn’t think it’s worth trying to bring it up to him because he just won’t want to. It really is so like Mickey to freak out internally about the fact that somebody knows, and to avoid any mention of the fact.
That said, I WILL be annoyed and honestly very disappointed if the two of them NEVER speak about it. I don’t so much think that Mandy will try to talk to him about his being gay, but I DO think that she would mention the fact that he’s been in this relationship with Ian and honestly, I can see her pretty much telling him to man up about it. We have definitely seen bits and pieces showing how protective Ian is of Mandy (calling Lip on on being a dick, following her up the stairs after Vee’s jab, helping her raise money for her abortion, etc.) and I’m just DYING to see that kind of thing from Mandy. It’s sometimes easy to forget that Mandy and Ian are best fucking friends, and have been for a long time… so I can see her focus on this situation being less on the fact that Mickey is gay, and more about the fact that he’s probably in love with (and has broken the heart of) her best friend.

I absolutely would have LOVED a scene with the two of them discussing that. I wouldn’t necessarily say that I’m annoyed at how it was (or wasn’t) dealt with, but I do admit that it would have been nice to see. I’m always in need of more Mickey & Mandy scenes.

I think that a big reason they didn’t have a scene like that is the fact that, for the most part, it seems that the Milkoviches tend to stay out of each other’s business unless it involves bashing heads in. We know that Mandy has no problem with homosexuality, and as much as it probably surprised her that Mickey was gay (or at least fucking another guy for quite some time), she didn’t see any point in bringing it up. On top of that, Mandy had her own shit going on with Lip, and that was most likely top on her list of concerns.

Though I never personally thought Mandy would be too concerned with the fact that Mickey might be gay, I always imagined Mandy initially getting upset and even offended that her best friend (and former “boyfriend”) has been fucking her brother behind her back… but then being accepting of it once the shock wore off. I always thought that her finding out would lead to a conversation about it with Ian at the very least, and as much as I was hoping for her to discuss it with Mickey, I’m not exactly surprised that she didn’t.

I did, however, REALLY like the way she let him know that she knew. We can’t be sure yet that she supports their relationship, but at the very least, she didn’t try to tell Mickey that he doesn’t deserve Ian, which is one of the theories I’ve always had relating to how I thought she might react. Instead, she let him know that he should have done more to keep Ian from leaving, and left it at that.

She’s only just found out the fact that Mickey is gay, and probably doesn’t think it’s worth trying to bring it up to him because he just won’t want to. It really is so like Mickey to freak out internally about the fact that somebody knows, and to avoid any mention of the fact.

That said, I WILL be annoyed and honestly very disappointed if the two of them NEVER speak about it. I don’t so much think that Mandy will try to talk to him about his being gay, but I DO think that she would mention the fact that he’s been in this relationship with Ian and honestly, I can see her pretty much telling him to man up about it. We have definitely seen bits and pieces showing how protective Ian is of Mandy (calling Lip on on being a dick, following her up the stairs after Vee’s jab, helping her raise money for her abortion, etc.) and I’m just DYING to see that kind of thing from Mandy. It’s sometimes easy to forget that Mandy and Ian are best fucking friends, and have been for a long time… so I can see her focus on this situation being less on the fact that Mickey is gay, and more about the fact that he’s probably in love with (and has broken the heart of) her best friend.



[Part One]
PART TWO
Right now, I’m pretty sure that Mickey’s in a terrible fucking state of mind. What we saw in the finale was his life crumbling around him… Ian has been a constant in his life for a long time now (still not completely sure on the timeline of Shameless tbh!), and even though they were on-again-off-again due to his stints in Juvie and, most recently, their falling out, he probably thought it was something that wasn’t ending any time soon. An important thing to remember right now is that recently things have gotten significantly more serious between them. They’re both coming to terms with the fact that they’ve fallen in love, and Mickey’s been opening up a little bit more in ways that are HUGE for him.
In a single scene, we saw so much of what Mickey’s feeling. Remember the look on his face when he saw Ian in the front room? He was genuinely happy to see him again, and immediately tried to hop into fucking CONVERSATION. “Up to four sets of twenty,” really, Mickey? He’s so comfortable with Ian that he doesn’t even doubt that shit’s anything but normal… he takes him into his room to show him how he’s changed it up, for fuck’s sake. But this is Mickey, and of course the conversation quickly turns to sex… bedroom eyes and all, and even after Ian says “no thanks,” he jokes that he’s playing hard to get and that, surprise, IT’S WORKING.
But the second he stops the attempt at foreplay-slash-banter (the Mickey Milkovich Seduction Special, to be honest), and he realizes that Ian’s serious about enlisting, shit takes a turn.
What stood out to me was the genuine panic on his face and in his voice when he says, “that’s a dumb fucking move, how long?” He’s actually SHOWING how scared he is that, not only could something happen to Ian, but he might not see him for a long fucking time. Once Ian tells him that it IS gonna be a long time, he immediately goes on the defensive. There’s no fucking way that he’d admit he needs Ian to stay or, God forbid, that he’d put himself out there to try and stop him. Sadly enough, that’s just more evidence to Ian that he’s making the right choice in ending things. They’ve hit that metaphorical point in the road, and Mickey’s chosen the wrong direction.
From this point on, there is no eye contact between them. Mickey refuses to look at Ian because he refuses to be vulnerable. He’s lost control of the situation, and he doesn’t know how to deal with that.
When Mickey chokes out the word “Don’t,” It’s literally to stop Ian from walking away right that second. He doesn’t even KNOW where he’s going with that one word - doesn’t wanna say any of the things that might be running through his mind for fear that he’ll say too much and overstep yet another boundary he’s set for himself. And when Ian turns around, it’s not with hope that Mickey’s gonna blurt out some passionate declaration of love - IAN KNOWS BETTER. He turns around with all the satisfaction of somebody who’s getting revenge… Mickey’s hurt him so badly, and he’s finally getting to see the tables turn. He KNOWS what Mickey feels for him, he’s admitted it aloud, but at this point, it doesn’t even matter to him.
Mickey’s next word, “Just—” is another word spoken in a desperate attempt to just stop everything for a second. He wants to say something, he just doesn’t know what he CAN say, and I think that a part of him knows that if he does say something, it won’t change anything. And still, Mickey refuses to let his pride be hurt like that. So he lets Ian walk away because, as usual, HE SEES NO OTHER CHOICE. He’s completely let go of any hope that Ian will stay, that their relationship isn’t over. And it fucking HURTS.
And as if losing such an important part of his life wasn’t enough, he’s immediately hit with another blow - MANDY KNOWS ABOUT THEM.  We’ve already waxed poetic about the way his entire face just changes the moment he realizes she knows (As usual, flawless face acting by one Mr. Noel Fisher). But the look on his face when he turns to look at her is the most heartbreaking thing of all. Not only did he just get his heart broken by the person he’s in love with, now he’s realized the one thing he’s kept hidden so well for so long is out in the open - and he feels so vulnerable and broken at the same time. He spends his entire life trying to prove to others that he’s untouchable, that he’s not afraid of anything, the very embodiment of the word badass. But he’s feeling so fucked up that he doesn’t even try to respond when Mandy calls him a pussy… that fact alone, I think, tells the most about where Mickey is emotionally at this point.

[Part One]

PART TWO

Right now, I’m pretty sure that Mickey’s in a terrible fucking state of mind. What we saw in the finale was his life crumbling around him… Ian has been a constant in his life for a long time now (still not completely sure on the timeline of Shameless tbh!), and even though they were on-again-off-again due to his stints in Juvie and, most recently, their falling out, he probably thought it was something that wasn’t ending any time soon. An important thing to remember right now is that recently things have gotten significantly more serious between them. They’re both coming to terms with the fact that they’ve fallen in love, and Mickey’s been opening up a little bit more in ways that are HUGE for him.

In a single scene, we saw so much of what Mickey’s feeling. Remember the look on his face when he saw Ian in the front room? He was genuinely happy to see him again, and immediately tried to hop into fucking CONVERSATION. “Up to four sets of twenty,” really, Mickey? He’s so comfortable with Ian that he doesn’t even doubt that shit’s anything but normal… he takes him into his room to show him how he’s changed it up, for fuck’s sake. But this is Mickey, and of course the conversation quickly turns to sex… bedroom eyes and all, and even after Ian says “no thanks,” he jokes that he’s playing hard to get and that, surprise, IT’S WORKING.

But the second he stops the attempt at foreplay-slash-banter (the Mickey Milkovich Seduction Special, to be honest), and he realizes that Ian’s serious about enlisting, shit takes a turn.

What stood out to me was the genuine panic on his face and in his voice when he says, “that’s a dumb fucking move, how long?” He’s actually SHOWING how scared he is that, not only could something happen to Ian, but he might not see him for a long fucking time. Once Ian tells him that it IS gonna be a long time, he immediately goes on the defensive. There’s no fucking way that he’d admit he needs Ian to stay or, God forbid, that he’d put himself out there to try and stop him. Sadly enough, that’s just more evidence to Ian that he’s making the right choice in ending things. They’ve hit that metaphorical point in the road, and Mickey’s chosen the wrong direction.

From this point on, there is no eye contact between them. Mickey refuses to look at Ian because he refuses to be vulnerable. He’s lost control of the situation, and he doesn’t know how to deal with that.

When Mickey chokes out the word “Don’t,” It’s literally to stop Ian from walking away right that second. He doesn’t even KNOW where he’s going with that one word - doesn’t wanna say any of the things that might be running through his mind for fear that he’ll say too much and overstep yet another boundary he’s set for himself. And when Ian turns around, it’s not with hope that Mickey’s gonna blurt out some passionate declaration of love - IAN KNOWS BETTER. He turns around with all the satisfaction of somebody who’s getting revenge… Mickey’s hurt him so badly, and he’s finally getting to see the tables turn. He KNOWS what Mickey feels for him, he’s admitted it aloud, but at this point, it doesn’t even matter to him.

Mickey’s next word, “Just—” is another word spoken in a desperate attempt to just stop everything for a second. He wants to say something, he just doesn’t know what he CAN say, and I think that a part of him knows that if he does say something, it won’t change anything. And still, Mickey refuses to let his pride be hurt like that. So he lets Ian walk away because, as usual, HE SEES NO OTHER CHOICE. He’s completely let go of any hope that Ian will stay, that their relationship isn’t over. And it fucking HURTS.

And as if losing such an important part of his life wasn’t enough, he’s immediately hit with another blow - MANDY KNOWS ABOUT THEM.  We’ve already waxed poetic about the way his entire face just changes the moment he realizes she knows (As usual, flawless face acting by one Mr. Noel Fisher). But the look on his face when he turns to look at her is the most heartbreaking thing of all. Not only did he just get his heart broken by the person he’s in love with, now he’s realized the one thing he’s kept hidden so well for so long is out in the open - and he feels so vulnerable and broken at the same time. He spends his entire life trying to prove to others that he’s untouchable, that he’s not afraid of anything, the very embodiment of the word badass. But he’s feeling so fucked up that he doesn’t even try to respond when Mandy calls him a pussy… that fact alone, I think, tells the most about where Mickey is emotionally at this point.



PART ONE
I’m actually really glad that I waited until after the finale to answer this Ask… I feel like I have a much better handle on what both of them are thinking about this situation, ESPECIALLY MICKEY.
[TRIGGER WARNING: THIS POST DEALS VERY HEAVILY WITH AND FEATURES NON-GRAPHIC DESCRIPTION OF RAPE AND RAPE AFTERMATH - PLEASE BE WARNED. I AM NOT SEEING THE OPTION TO PUT THIS UNDER A “READ MORE.”]

I wrote in this post about the fact that in general, very few people consider what happened with Mickey and Svetlana to be rape. This is due to many factors, but mostly the unfortunately popular idea that men in general cannot be raped. I won’t go into all of that all over again in detail, but my basic points were that a good majority of viewers are so used to seeing fucked up things on the show that this is just another thing to add to that long list of crazy things that happen, and that rape really isn’t taken as seriously as it probably should be on this show.
I also touched on the idea that Terry already has a track record of rape from when he impregnated Mandy, and that I feel that he is 100% to blame for this situation… again, I do not see Svetlana as a rapist, because I really can’t believe that she was a willing party (again, Terry Milkovich holding a gun after beating the shit out of his kid… for her, it was probably just as much about survival as it was for Mickey).
Ian and Mickey were both obviously traumatized by what happened, I don’t doubt that a bit. They both dealt with it in their own ways (which I also covered in the above post), and Ian mentioned that he couldn’t stop thinking about it. Mickey, of course, refused to talk about it at all, so we can only guess at what he was feeling about it. To put it simply, while they both see it as something terrible that happened, I don’t think that either of them consider it a rape.
To start with, Ian’s first questions when he found out that Mickey was getting married were, “Does he love her,” and, for FUCK’S SAKE, “Is she pretty?” I’ll admit that I really do need to rewatch the episodes to remember exactly in which order these scenes happened, but if I remember correctly, this was before he know for sure that the woman he was marrying was the Russian prostitute from that day. At this point, Ian’s just hurt and jealous, wondering who it is that Mickey would (in his mind) drop him for. But even after he knows who she is, he still goes to set up with Mandy, asking what Svetlana’s like and, again, “Think he loves her?”
In Ian’s defense here, he IS a heartbroken teenager, it’s not much of a surprise that his mind is stuck on, “What’s she got that I don’t?” Aside from the fact that, when he first heard about it, he asked Mandy if their dad was making Mickey do it, I don’t think he’s considered that none of this was Mickey’s choice.
Mickey’s thoughts and feelings are much, much more difficult to decipher. His way of dealing with shit is by shutting down… he doesn’t wanna talk about it, doesn’t wanna show his weaknesses so he pretends that nothing bothers him. I think it’s important to note here that he just kind of rolls with the punches and does what he thinks he needs to do. He pointed it out to Ian when he asked him, “Why are you acting like I have a choice in this?” We know full well that he wouldn’t marry this woman if he wasn’t being forced to, and it’s safe to say that, since he planned it all and invited all his “gun club buddies,” Terry’s forcing him into it. I can’t even really begin to guess HOW exactly he’s making it happen, whether through actual threats or the simple fact that Mickey just fucking KNOWS that he should do what he says, or even just that Mickey figures that he’d better do it to cover his own ass in the future. When he tells Ian that he needs to “grow the fuck up,” he’s all but confirming that there are some things you just HAVE to do, whether you want to or not.
The thing that really bothers me is that Mickey, at one point DEFENDS his dad. When Ian tells him that he’s letting his dad ruin his life, he says, “Don’t act like you know a thing about my dad!” To me, that’s a classic example of a kid defending his abusive parent. It sounds like a cliche, but it’s true, and that shit happens ALL THE FUCKING TIME. I love that Milkoviches, like the Gallaghers, are so fucked up in the most realistic of ways! While Frank has fucked the family over in many ways, it’s easy to argue that Mickey and his siblings “have it worse,” as Terry still has so much control over them. But in true Mickey Milkovich form, he makes it clear that that is none of Ian’s business… just another instance of him refusing to let Ian in when it comes to most aspects of his life. And, of course, more proof that Mickey thinks he’s fucked for life, stuck in this shitty situation with no way out.
As far as the marriage itself goes, Mickey in no way takes it seriously. AT ALL. Like he said, “Who gives a shit, it’s a fucking piece of paper.” There’s not a doubt in my mind that he meant it. He’s not invested in any relationship with his wife, it’s just another part of his life that he has to put up with. I was actually really intrigued by the fact that he went through the motions: the wedding ceremony, wearing a wedding band, her moving into his room.  I really loved the casual way he talked about how his wife made him take down all his Nazi shit, and she can drink him under the table. He saw how upset Ian was about him getting married but, as he’s done every time in the past, he swept that under the rug and honestly just expected them to continue what they had. “Just ‘cause, I’m gettin’ hitched doesn’t mean we can’t still bang,” “I figure she’s gonna be off fucking dudes, why can’t I?” It’s actually an ideal situation for him, really… to the rest of the world (and his father especially), he’s married to a woman, but still gets to do what he likes behind closed doors, and no one has to know. But what he didn’t plan on was the fact that his getting married actually meant so much more to Ian… that’s really something that I don’t think makes any sense to him.
We can’t really blame Mickey for thinking Ian would just wanna start back up where they left off… even after the shitty things he said to Ian before getting locked up the second time, Ian still hopped right back on the wagon as soon as he was released. Aside from that, Ian has fucked married dudes in the past with no problems. They most certainly never once even had a conversation about being exclusive, as evidenced by the casual way Mickey talked about them both fucking other people. Ian, we know, WANTED that exclusivity, and it’s safe to assume that Mickey secretly did too, given by his jealousy when Ian was actually SEEING somebody else, not just FUCKING somebody else. Nonetheless, it was never anything that was agreed upon… until Ian asked him repeatedly not to go through with the wedding, Mickey had no reason to believe that it would be an issue.
The problem, really, lies in the fact that Ian did ask him not to do it, and still, he did. Ian was completely in the right to decide that he’d had enough of the heartbreak and was DONE. If he wants Mickey to himself, that’s fine. He can’t be blamed for completely giving up on their relationship when he didn’t get what he felt he deserved… Mickey just didn’t think he would ACTUALLY go through with it because IAN HAS ALWAYS COME BACK FOR MORE. Once he realized that he actually WAS losing Ian, he was genuinely shocked, and at the same time, scared and upset and just really fucking HURT. He didn’t know what to say, and the things he wanted to say, he didn’t feel like he could.
[Personally, I don’t think there was really anything he could have said at that point to stop Ian from leaving, but that’s another post entirely. This post got so long that I broke it into two… part two, focusing on the both of them in their scene from the finale, is all finished and coming up in just a few!]
[Part Two]

PART ONE

I’m actually really glad that I waited until after the finale to answer this Ask… I feel like I have a much better handle on what both of them are thinking about this situation, ESPECIALLY MICKEY.

[TRIGGER WARNING: THIS POST DEALS VERY HEAVILY WITH AND FEATURES NON-GRAPHIC DESCRIPTION OF RAPE AND RAPE AFTERMATH - PLEASE BE WARNED. I AM NOT SEEING THE OPTION TO PUT THIS UNDER A “READ MORE.”]

I wrote in this post about the fact that in general, very few people consider what happened with Mickey and Svetlana to be rape. This is due to many factors, but mostly the unfortunately popular idea that men in general cannot be raped. I won’t go into all of that all over again in detail, but my basic points were that a good majority of viewers are so used to seeing fucked up things on the show that this is just another thing to add to that long list of crazy things that happen, and that rape really isn’t taken as seriously as it probably should be on this show.

I also touched on the idea that Terry already has a track record of rape from when he impregnated Mandy, and that I feel that he is 100% to blame for this situation… again, I do not see Svetlana as a rapist, because I really can’t believe that she was a willing party (again, Terry Milkovich holding a gun after beating the shit out of his kid… for her, it was probably just as much about survival as it was for Mickey).

Ian and Mickey were both obviously traumatized by what happened, I don’t doubt that a bit. They both dealt with it in their own ways (which I also covered in the above post), and Ian mentioned that he couldn’t stop thinking about it. Mickey, of course, refused to talk about it at all, so we can only guess at what he was feeling about it. To put it simply, while they both see it as something terrible that happened, I don’t think that either of them consider it a rape.

To start with, Ian’s first questions when he found out that Mickey was getting married were, “Does he love her,” and, for FUCK’S SAKE, “Is she pretty?” I’ll admit that I really do need to rewatch the episodes to remember exactly in which order these scenes happened, but if I remember correctly, this was before he know for sure that the woman he was marrying was the Russian prostitute from that day. At this point, Ian’s just hurt and jealous, wondering who it is that Mickey would (in his mind) drop him for. But even after he knows who she is, he still goes to set up with Mandy, asking what Svetlana’s like and, again, “Think he loves her?”

In Ian’s defense here, he IS a heartbroken teenager, it’s not much of a surprise that his mind is stuck on, “What’s she got that I don’t?” Aside from the fact that, when he first heard about it, he asked Mandy if their dad was making Mickey do it, I don’t think he’s considered that none of this was Mickey’s choice.

Mickey’s thoughts and feelings are much, much more difficult to decipher. His way of dealing with shit is by shutting down… he doesn’t wanna talk about it, doesn’t wanna show his weaknesses so he pretends that nothing bothers him. I think it’s important to note here that he just kind of rolls with the punches and does what he thinks he needs to do. He pointed it out to Ian when he asked him, “Why are you acting like I have a choice in this?” We know full well that he wouldn’t marry this woman if he wasn’t being forced to, and it’s safe to say that, since he planned it all and invited all his “gun club buddies,” Terry’s forcing him into it. I can’t even really begin to guess HOW exactly he’s making it happen, whether through actual threats or the simple fact that Mickey just fucking KNOWS that he should do what he says, or even just that Mickey figures that he’d better do it to cover his own ass in the future. When he tells Ian that he needs to “grow the fuck up,” he’s all but confirming that there are some things you just HAVE to do, whether you want to or not.

The thing that really bothers me is that Mickey, at one point DEFENDS his dad. When Ian tells him that he’s letting his dad ruin his life, he says, “Don’t act like you know a thing about my dad!” To me, that’s a classic example of a kid defending his abusive parent. It sounds like a cliche, but it’s true, and that shit happens ALL THE FUCKING TIME. I love that Milkoviches, like the Gallaghers, are so fucked up in the most realistic of ways! While Frank has fucked the family over in many ways, it’s easy to argue that Mickey and his siblings “have it worse,” as Terry still has so much control over them. But in true Mickey Milkovich form, he makes it clear that that is none of Ian’s business… just another instance of him refusing to let Ian in when it comes to most aspects of his life. And, of course, more proof that Mickey thinks he’s fucked for life, stuck in this shitty situation with no way out.

As far as the marriage itself goes, Mickey in no way takes it seriously. AT ALL. Like he said, “Who gives a shit, it’s a fucking piece of paper.” There’s not a doubt in my mind that he meant it. He’s not invested in any relationship with his wife, it’s just another part of his life that he has to put up with. I was actually really intrigued by the fact that he went through the motions: the wedding ceremony, wearing a wedding band, her moving into his room.  I really loved the casual way he talked about how his wife made him take down all his Nazi shit, and she can drink him under the table. He saw how upset Ian was about him getting married but, as he’s done every time in the past, he swept that under the rug and honestly just expected them to continue what they had. “Just ‘cause, I’m gettin’ hitched doesn’t mean we can’t still bang,” “I figure she’s gonna be off fucking dudes, why can’t I?” It’s actually an ideal situation for him, really… to the rest of the world (and his father especially), he’s married to a woman, but still gets to do what he likes behind closed doors, and no one has to know. But what he didn’t plan on was the fact that his getting married actually meant so much more to Ian… that’s really something that I don’t think makes any sense to him.

We can’t really blame Mickey for thinking Ian would just wanna start back up where they left off… even after the shitty things he said to Ian before getting locked up the second time, Ian still hopped right back on the wagon as soon as he was released. Aside from that, Ian has fucked married dudes in the past with no problems. They most certainly never once even had a conversation about being exclusive, as evidenced by the casual way Mickey talked about them both fucking other people. Ian, we know, WANTED that exclusivity, and it’s safe to assume that Mickey secretly did too, given by his jealousy when Ian was actually SEEING somebody else, not just FUCKING somebody else. Nonetheless, it was never anything that was agreed upon… until Ian asked him repeatedly not to go through with the wedding, Mickey had no reason to believe that it would be an issue.

The problem, really, lies in the fact that Ian did ask him not to do it, and still, he did. Ian was completely in the right to decide that he’d had enough of the heartbreak and was DONE. If he wants Mickey to himself, that’s fine. He can’t be blamed for completely giving up on their relationship when he didn’t get what he felt he deserved… Mickey just didn’t think he would ACTUALLY go through with it because IAN HAS ALWAYS COME BACK FOR MORE. Once he realized that he actually WAS losing Ian, he was genuinely shocked, and at the same time, scared and upset and just really fucking HURT. He didn’t know what to say, and the things he wanted to say, he didn’t feel like he could.

[Personally, I don’t think there was really anything he could have said at that point to stop Ian from leaving, but that’s another post entirely. This post got so long that I broke it into two… part two, focusing on the both of them in their scene from the finale, is all finished and coming up in just a few!]

[Part Two]



Apologies to all of my anons (and friends!) who sent me Shameless asks over the past few days… I wanted to wait until after the finale to write any meta, I promise I am working on them!

Just some of the topics I have in the works.

[also if you’re like me and forget to save your work and tend to accidentally close windows, I definitely suggest Google Drive if you’re writing up long posts! I can’t tell you how many 3+ page metas I lost before Ava convinced me to use it!]



santanaisbitho replied to your photo: THIS ASK. I have started and come back to it SO…

Something that bugs me so much is that Noel was pretty clearly playing a really realistic and brutal outcome of A RAPE VICTIM until the story just.. swerved. as much as I LOVE their scenes last week, the attitude flip for Mickey was drastic.

I wish they had spent ANY more time on his POV about it so we could see how he got from A to B, you know? But yeah, it definitely seems like the show and characters dont see it as rape. Even though LIP at least should. cough cough.

I definitely agree that Mickey’s attitude took a very sudden turn, a complete 180!

I’m not sure that this change is necessarily UNREALISTIC, though! My favorite (and least favorite at the same time!) thing about Mickey is that we are rarely made aware of the reasoning behind his actions… even though he is credited as a regular, he’s still essentially a mysterious side-character, most of whose development happens off-screen, and this is why I find him so fascinating and incredibly fun to analyze!

Think back to that scene in the van. Mickey had been showing signs of jealousy, which was something new. We were just getting a taste of this newer side of Mickey, when he did something that threw us for a loop - He kissed Ian. A season ago this would likely have seemed completely out of character, but due to how steadily his character has been developing, especially this season, it JUST MADE SENSE. Now consider the fact that soon after, Mickey invited Ian to a fucking sleepover and broke out the beads… decidedly NOT something season 2 Mickey would have ever done! 

Basically we’re seeing a Mickey who’s changing; he’s growing up, he’s just getting his footing in an actual RELATIONSHIP and, to be honest, it fucking suits him. His constant ability to take what he has with Ian one step in the right direction (even if that comes after two metaphorical steps backward!) shows that he’s not only able to quickly adapt, but that he’s also very INVESTED in the relationship. And that’s why I think  that his “attitude flip” (pretty much a perfect term for it, btw!) completely makes sense in a way.

As always, I would have also loved to see some development between points A and B for Mickey, but it was easy for me to guess WHY that transition happened. He spent a couple of episodes pushing Ian away for whatever reason, but there’s only so much of that he can take… he’s in love, and when he sees Ian again before the wedding, he turns his attention to finding a way to have both the wedding (which he sees no way out of) and Ian (which he desperately wants).

As far as the characters not seeing it as rape, I definitely agree, 100%! I have an Ask in my box about that, which I plan to answer after work this evening. I will probably also touch on a bit more of what I see happening in Mickey’s head between episodes 3x6 and 3x11!



THIS ASK.
I have started and come back to it SO MANY TIMES in the past forty-eight hours… and because of that, THIS is the kind of ask I wish I had all the time!! I couldn’t quite find that balance between not covering enough, and saying too much! Eventually I just went with what I had… it’s a bit rambly, but I hope I got my thoughts across!
 If there is anybody who wants me to elaborate on anything, My Ask Box is always open!
[TRIGGER WARNING: THIS POST DEALS VERY HEAVILY WITH AND FEATURES GRAPHIC DESCRIPTION OF RAPE AND RAPE AFTERMATH - PLEASE BE WARNED. I AM NOT SEEING THE OPTION TO PUT THIS UNDER A “READ MORE.”]
I’ll start with the first part of the question: Do I think they’ve approached what happened between Mickey and Svetlana as rape (well enough)? My answer without a doubt is NO. Let’s be honest, here… Shameless doesn’t exactly have the greatest track record when it comes to the subject of rape. In Season One, Frank was raped by Karen and I swear it was almost treated as a JOKE. When we found out that Mandy was carrying Terry’s baby, that was taken much more seriously… but after an episode, it was swept under the rug and barely mentioned again. In both cases, the characters didn’t seem very bothered by either situation which, if you ask me, is utter BULL SHIT.
I remember, when I made this post about how I would like to see the marriage/pregnancy storyline play out for Mickey, I got a couple of asks pointing out that it would be a terrible path for Mickey’s character because he’s marrying and having a child “with his rapist.” This may sound a bit crazy to some (or most) of you, but I don’t see Svetlana as the rapist in this situation. It’s easy to place the blame on her, mainly because she’s a character with whom we are not in the least familiar and, well, she’s a prostitute. 
The one who’s at fault here, and I’m sure you’ll all agree with me on this, is Terry. Basically, the man’s got a gun in his hand and a reputation that suggests he’ll use it, and he’s clearly beaten the shit out of his own son. Svetlana was told to “fuck the gay out of” a fucking KID, while another one who’d also clearly met with Terry’s fists watched. Whether Svetlana wanted to or not (and I assure you, chances are slim that she was at all into the idea), she was going to do what she was called over for, and Mickey was gonna roll with it because THEY DON’T WANT TO DIE. I’ll move on to just how fucking disgusting of a human being Terry is in a bit, but for now I’ll just remind you that this is the SECOND CHILD whose rape he is directly responsible for.
The scene itself was done about as well as it could have been done. I personally was very affected by it… it was incredibly difficult to watch my favorite character be raped on-screen. The acting made it clear that it was far from consensual, which was definitely the right thing to do! Their biggest fault, I think, was juxtaposing this scenario with Kev, V, and Carol having something of a threesome. I think that we see and hear about so many fucked up things on this show, that for a lot of viewers this is just something that was added to the list.
As it is, we see very little of Mickey where Ian’s not involved, so it’s REALLY easy for them to make this less about Mickey, and more about Mickey/Ian (or even just Ian). And that’s pretty much exactly what they’re doing. Don’t get me wrong, I adore Ian and I understand why he’s hurting. His heart is broken, and I hate that for him. 
One thing that I think they DID do right is Ian mentioning to Mickey that he “can’t stop thinking about what happened,” which is the most realistic shit I’ve heard all season. Mickey, of course, didn’t wanna talk about it, couldn’t even look at him. ALSO VERY FUCKING REALISTIC. They had just been through some really traumatizing shit together, and the way that Ian would have preferred to deal with it was WITH MICKEY. Mickey, on the other hand, chose to pretend that Ian didn’t exist… the idea of talking about what happened wasn’t anywhere on his radar. Ian left upset, and probably very offended that even after voicing his emotional turmoil, the guy he loves didn’t even acknowledge his existence.
[Though I am very tempted to go into how I think Mickey was feeling about all of this, I’ll save that from another time… I could go on and on about it, but that’s not what this Ask was about!]
 As well-handled as that particular bit was, that’s about the end of it. The rest of this story goes: Mickey won’t talk to Ian, Mickey’s getting married, Mickey won’t talk to Ian, Mickey’s kicking Ian in the face, Mickey’s wedding is happening tomorrow, Mickey won’t call it off. Because of this, it’s easy to forget that Mickey’s not just marrying someone because he got her pregnant and his dad is making him do it… Mickey is still RIGHT IN THE FUCKING MIDDLE OF THIS NIGHTMARE.
The worst part of all of it, I think, is the way that this type of situation is seen by people every day. A large majority of people continue to believe that there is only one type of rape - a man physically holding a woman down and overpowering her. In fact, I guarantee you that most viewers of this show don’t see that scene as a rape scene at all, which is absolutely terrifying to me. I don’t think it’s been driven home how serious of a situation it is, beyond the fact that Ian and Mickey can’t be together.
[Another thing that I’m dying to write about here is whether MICKEY AND IAN see it properly as rape, but I’ll refrain. For now.]
I think that they may mention it once or twice, that the reason for Mickey’s situation is because he had to fuck someone he didn’t wanna fuck. But I highly doubt they’ll treat it as much more than that. I don’t really expect them to, but honestly, I’d like to see them actually take a rape storyline further than “So that happened, it sucked, on to the next conflict!” Shameless is a gutsy show, and if any show can pull it off, it’s this one. I wish they would for several reasons: ONE, I think that it’s important to show that THIS IS RAPE and that is does happen, and TWO, it would give Mickey a chance to have a heartbreakingly real storyline on his own (this, I understand, is an  entirely selfish reason… I just want to see what magic Noel could create with this).

I AM LITERALLY FORCING MYSELF TO STOP HERE… I THINK I’VE PASSED THE POINT OF A COMPREHENSIVE ANSWER AND AM QUICKLY ENTERING FULL-ON RANT TERRITORY.

So, on to Terry Milkovich. That piece of shit human being. It’s true, I want nothing more than to see that man come to a painful demise at the hands of someone who really knows how to make it last. Like most fans of the show, I hate everything about him and haven’t enjoyed his presence a single bit for a long, long time. He has gone from being kind of a total dick to one of the most horrifyingly immoral characters I’ve ever laid eyes on.
I can’t see them keeping him around for long. At this point, he’s simply become too terrible of a person. That might sound ridiculous, seeing as we’re talking about Shameless, the show where pretty much EVERYBODY’S a bad person in one way or another. My point is, he’s done so many heinous things to enough of our protagonists that the longer he sticks around, it will either come across as complete and total overkill, or just a big joke. He’s become that villain character that literally has nothing endearing or interesting about him, and those guys don’t stick around.
Honestly, I wouldn’t be too surprised if they killed him off in the finale this weekend. I could see them giving him one more shitty thing to do to somebody, then having him offed either as a consequence of that, or completely randomly in a drug deal gone bad or something.
However, I could just as easily see him lasting through another season, gradually becoming more and more hated until they give us the satisfaction of seeing him meet a gruesome end. Or they could go the easy way out, and have him locked up time and time again. Either way, I very highly doubt he will ever be a permanent fixture on this show, or seen more than a time or two every few episodes.

THIS ASK.

I have started and come back to it SO MANY TIMES in the past forty-eight hours… and because of that, THIS is the kind of ask I wish I had all the time!! I couldn’t quite find that balance between not covering enough, and saying too much! Eventually I just went with what I had… it’s a bit rambly, but I hope I got my thoughts across!

 If there is anybody who wants me to elaborate on anything, My Ask Box is always open!

[TRIGGER WARNING: THIS POST DEALS VERY HEAVILY WITH AND FEATURES GRAPHIC DESCRIPTION OF RAPE AND RAPE AFTERMATH - PLEASE BE WARNED. I AM NOT SEEING THE OPTION TO PUT THIS UNDER A “READ MORE.”]

I’ll start with the first part of the question: Do I think they’ve approached what happened between Mickey and Svetlana as rape (well enough)? My answer without a doubt is NOLet’s be honest, here… Shameless doesn’t exactly have the greatest track record when it comes to the subject of rape. In Season One, Frank was raped by Karen and I swear it was almost treated as a JOKE. When we found out that Mandy was carrying Terry’s baby, that was taken much more seriously… but after an episode, it was swept under the rug and barely mentioned again. In both cases, the characters didn’t seem very bothered by either situation which, if you ask me, is utter BULL SHIT.

I remember, when I made this post about how I would like to see the marriage/pregnancy storyline play out for Mickey, I got a couple of asks pointing out that it would be a terrible path for Mickey’s character because he’s marrying and having a child “with his rapist.” This may sound a bit crazy to some (or most) of you, but I don’t see Svetlana as the rapist in this situation. It’s easy to place the blame on her, mainly because she’s a character with whom we are not in the least familiar and, well, she’s a prostitute.

The one who’s at fault here, and I’m sure you’ll all agree with me on this, is Terry. Basically, the man’s got a gun in his hand and a reputation that suggests he’ll use it, and he’s clearly beaten the shit out of his own son. Svetlana was told to “fuck the gay out of” a fucking KID, while another one who’d also clearly met with Terry’s fists watched. Whether Svetlana wanted to or not (and I assure you, chances are slim that she was at all into the idea), she was going to do what she was called over for, and Mickey was gonna roll with it because THEY DON’T WANT TO DIE. I’ll move on to just how fucking disgusting of a human being Terry is in a bit, but for now I’ll just remind you that this is the SECOND CHILD whose rape he is directly responsible for.

The scene itself was done about as well as it could have been done. I personally was very affected by it… it was incredibly difficult to watch my favorite character be raped on-screen. The acting made it clear that it was far from consensual, which was definitely the right thing to do! Their biggest fault, I think, was juxtaposing this scenario with Kev, V, and Carol having something of a threesome. I think that we see and hear about so many fucked up things on this show, that for a lot of viewers this is just something that was added to the list.

As it is, we see very little of Mickey where Ian’s not involved, so it’s REALLY easy for them to make this less about Mickey, and more about Mickey/Ian (or even just Ian). And that’s pretty much exactly what they’re doing. Don’t get me wrong, I adore Ian and I understand why he’s hurting. His heart is broken, and I hate that for him.

One thing that I think they DID do right is Ian mentioning to Mickey that he “can’t stop thinking about what happened,” which is the most realistic shit I’ve heard all season. Mickey, of course, didn’t wanna talk about it, couldn’t even look at him. ALSO VERY FUCKING REALISTIC. They had just been through some really traumatizing shit together, and the way that Ian would have preferred to deal with it was WITH MICKEY. Mickey, on the other hand, chose to pretend that Ian didn’t exist… the idea of talking about what happened wasn’t anywhere on his radar. Ian left upset, and probably very offended that even after voicing his emotional turmoil, the guy he loves didn’t even acknowledge his existence.

[Though I am very tempted to go into how I think Mickey was feeling about all of this, I’ll save that from another time… I could go on and on about it, but that’s not what this Ask was about!]

 As well-handled as that particular bit was, that’s about the end of it. The rest of this story goes: Mickey won’t talk to Ian, Mickey’s getting married, Mickey won’t talk to Ian, Mickey’s kicking Ian in the face, Mickey’s wedding is happening tomorrow, Mickey won’t call it off. Because of this, it’s easy to forget that Mickey’s not just marrying someone because he got her pregnant and his dad is making him do it… Mickey is still RIGHT IN THE FUCKING MIDDLE OF THIS NIGHTMARE.

The worst part of all of it, I think, is the way that this type of situation is seen by people every day. A large majority of people continue to believe that there is only one type of rape - a man physically holding a woman down and overpowering her. In fact, I guarantee you that most viewers of this show don’t see that scene as a rape scene at all, which is absolutely terrifying to me. I don’t think it’s been driven home how serious of a situation it is, beyond the fact that Ian and Mickey can’t be together.

[Another thing that I’m dying to write about here is whether MICKEY AND IAN see it properly as rape, but I’ll refrain. For now.]

I think that they may mention it once or twice, that the reason for Mickey’s situation is because he had to fuck someone he didn’t wanna fuck. But I highly doubt they’ll treat it as much more than that. I don’t really expect them to, but honestly, I’d like to see them actually take a rape storyline further than “So that happened, it sucked, on to the next conflict!” Shameless is a gutsy show, and if any show can pull it off, it’s this one. I wish they would for several reasons: ONE, I think that it’s important to show that THIS IS RAPE and that is does happen, and TWO, it would give Mickey a chance to have a heartbreakingly real storyline on his own (this, I understand, is an  entirely selfish reason… I just want to see what magic Noel could create with this).

I AM LITERALLY FORCING MYSELF TO STOP HERE… I THINK I’VE PASSED THE POINT OF A COMPREHENSIVE ANSWER AND AM QUICKLY ENTERING FULL-ON RANT TERRITORY.

So, on to Terry Milkovich. That piece of shit human being. It’s true, I want nothing more than to see that man come to a painful demise at the hands of someone who really knows how to make it last. Like most fans of the show, I hate everything about him and haven’t enjoyed his presence a single bit for a long, long time. He has gone from being kind of a total dick to one of the most horrifyingly immoral characters I’ve ever laid eyes on.

I can’t see them keeping him around for long. At this point, he’s simply become too terrible of a person. That might sound ridiculous, seeing as we’re talking about Shameless, the show where pretty much EVERYBODY’S a bad person in one way or another. My point is, he’s done so many heinous things to enough of our protagonists that the longer he sticks around, it will either come across as complete and total overkill, or just a big joke. He’s become that villain character that literally has nothing endearing or interesting about him, and those guys don’t stick around.

Honestly, I wouldn’t be too surprised if they killed him off in the finale this weekend. I could see them giving him one more shitty thing to do to somebody, then having him offed either as a consequence of that, or completely randomly in a drug deal gone bad or something.

However, I could just as easily see him lasting through another season, gradually becoming more and more hated until they give us the satisfaction of seeing him meet a gruesome end. Or they could go the easy way out, and have him locked up time and time again. Either way, I very highly doubt he will ever be a permanent fixture on this show, or seen more than a time or two every few episodes.



Yes, I agree with all of this!

I think that the biggest thing to consider about Mickey is that even though he can’t bring himself to say it, he shows Ian what he’s feeling. 

It’s fair to assume that originally Mickey came back for seconds with Ian because the sex was great and Ian could keep his mouth shut about it. But a lot happened behind the scenes with them, because one second he shows up for a booty call and leaves, then the next he’s hanging out on the couch playing video games with Ian and Mandy. Then before we know it, Ian’s running straight to his door in a moment of intense emotional turmoil because he NEEDS TO SEE HIM. Then, and I cannot stress this point enough, Mickey agrees to meet him in twenty even though he’d already said that it’s NOT A GOOD TIME. And don’t even get me started on the way they look at each other through the glass when Ian visits him in Juvie.

The ease with which they sit in the dugout talking definitely suggests that at some point they got to know one another and are REALLY into each other by season two. And even after Frank catches them and they go through that entire issue, they fall right back into it at the beginning of season three… obviously Mickey thinks that being with Ian is worth the risk, and I think that says more about him than almost anything else!

Most importantly, as you mentioned, everything he’s done this season has been a big fucking deal. The jealousy he showed when he saw Ian and Ned together was a big giveaway that he really wants this relationship (whatever he would call it) with Ian. 
The first really big indicator that Mickey Milkovich is maybe a little bit in love was the kiss. That was the line he set in stone from the beginning, and all it took for him to cross that line was Ian suggesting that it was the one thing he wanted that he was getting elsewhere. The fact that Mickey gave him that doesn’t just prove that he wants Ian to be happy (and wants to be the guy responsible for it), it also shows that he probably realized that he wanted it, too.
Mickey’s really been opening up to Ian, and for a guy who’s spent so much of his life hiding who he really is, he was definitely willing to show Ian what he’s into, beyond just getting fucked. They’ve come pretty far from being just fuck-buddies… they entered “boyfriends” territory long ago.
I won’t get back into the topic of the fight all over again, but I literally cannot stop thinking about their scenes before the wedding. What really struck me about that first scene was that Mickey wasn’t really defensive or aggressive at all. He sees Ian walk in and waits for him to speak, then just goes on to tell him that the wedding means absolutely NOTHING to him. When Ian still gets offended and upset, Mickey stops him to reassure him that nothing’s really changing, they can still see each other.
Then, of course, that line of Ian’s. "If you give half a shit about me, Mickey… half… DON’T DO THIS." Mickey knows he HAS to do it; as far as he can see, it’s the only way out. But he does the one thing he can think of to show Ian that, yeah, he does give a shit. Mickey has NEVER kissed him like that, and I guarantee you that in doing so, he recognizes that he’s really putting himself out there. There was just something so raw and desperate about the way he lunged for Ian… he hates the situation they are in just as much as Ian, but his focus is strictly on survival at this point. Right now, all he wants is to look out for himself while also keeping his relationship with Ian. 
We can tell that Mickey’s fucking terrified about everything he’s got going on, and my main concern is that it’ll all come crashing down around him in the worst of ways…. and yet, a bigger part of me is thinking that maybe some kind of a breakdown has been a long time coming for poor Mickey!
One thing that I’m a little on the fence about is the idea that Ian doesn’t realize how important these little baby steps are. I think that a part of him DOES see that… like he said to Lip, he KNOWS how Mickey feels about him. The difference I think is that something in Ian NEEDS to hear Mickey say it out loud, to get that validation. And as much as Mickey knows that and might even want to say it, for one reason or another, he can’t. And that’s where that last quote of his comes into play… "Not everybody just gets to blurt out how they fucking feel every minute." That on its own, for Mickey, was almost as good as saying it, right then and there. I like to think that Ian understood that, at least partially.
Another important thing to consider while we’re on the subject of Mickey not admitting his feelings aloud, Ian hasn’t exactly been verbally outright, himself. Every time, he’s presented it as a challenge to Mickey’s feelings for him; i.e., "You love me, and you’re gay. Just admit it, just this once," and "if you give half a shit about me…" He’s asking Mickey to say what he hasn’t been willing to say himself.
The very worst part of all of this is that Ian’s at a point where he knows that Mickey is worth the fight. He’s gone to Mickey time and time again in an attempt to convince him that they should be together. The problem is that as much as Mickey wants it too, he’s not in a position to give Ian ALL of himself, something that Ian thinks (rightfully so!) that he deserves.

Yes, I agree with all of this!

I think that the biggest thing to consider about Mickey is that even though he can’t bring himself to say it, he shows Ian what he’s feeling. 

It’s fair to assume that originally Mickey came back for seconds with Ian because the sex was great and Ian could keep his mouth shut about it. But a lot happened behind the scenes with them, because one second he shows up for a booty call and leaves, then the next he’s hanging out on the couch playing video games with Ian and Mandy. Then before we know it, Ian’s running straight to his door in a moment of intense emotional turmoil because he NEEDS TO SEE HIM. Then, and I cannot stress this point enough, Mickey agrees to meet him in twenty even though he’d already said that it’s NOT A GOOD TIME. And don’t even get me started on the way they look at each other through the glass when Ian visits him in Juvie.

The ease with which they sit in the dugout talking definitely suggests that at some point they got to know one another and are REALLY into each other by season two. And even after Frank catches them and they go through that entire issue, they fall right back into it at the beginning of season three… obviously Mickey thinks that being with Ian is worth the risk, and I think that says more about him than almost anything else!

Most importantly, as you mentioned, everything he’s done this season has been a big fucking deal. The jealousy he showed when he saw Ian and Ned together was a big giveaway that he really wants this relationship (whatever he would call it) with Ian. 

The first really big indicator that Mickey Milkovich is maybe a little bit in love was the kiss. That was the line he set in stone from the beginning, and all it took for him to cross that line was Ian suggesting that it was the one thing he wanted that he was getting elsewhere. The fact that Mickey gave him that doesn’t just prove that he wants Ian to be happy (and wants to be the guy responsible for it), it also shows that he probably realized that he wanted it, too.

Mickey’s really been opening up to Ian, and for a guy who’s spent so much of his life hiding who he really is, he was definitely willing to show Ian what he’s into, beyond just getting fucked. They’ve come pretty far from being just fuck-buddies… they entered “boyfriends” territory long ago.

I won’t get back into the topic of the fight all over again, but I literally cannot stop thinking about their scenes before the wedding. What really struck me about that first scene was that Mickey wasn’t really defensive or aggressive at all. He sees Ian walk in and waits for him to speak, then just goes on to tell him that the wedding means absolutely NOTHING to him. When Ian still gets offended and upset, Mickey stops him to reassure him that nothing’s really changing, they can still see each other.

Then, of course, that line of Ian’s. "If you give half a shit about me, Mickey… half… DON’T DO THIS." Mickey knows he HAS to do it; as far as he can see, it’s the only way out. But he does the one thing he can think of to show Ian that, yeah, he does give a shit. Mickey has NEVER kissed him like that, and I guarantee you that in doing so, he recognizes that he’s really putting himself out there. There was just something so raw and desperate about the way he lunged for Ian… he hates the situation they are in just as much as Ian, but his focus is strictly on survival at this point. Right now, all he wants is to look out for himself while also keeping his relationship with Ian. 

We can tell that Mickey’s fucking terrified about everything he’s got going on, and my main concern is that it’ll all come crashing down around him in the worst of ways…. and yet, a bigger part of me is thinking that maybe some kind of a breakdown has been a long time coming for poor Mickey!

One thing that I’m a little on the fence about is the idea that Ian doesn’t realize how important these little baby steps are. I think that a part of him DOES see that… like he said to Lip, he KNOWS how Mickey feels about him. The difference I think is that something in Ian NEEDS to hear Mickey say it out loud, to get that validation. And as much as Mickey knows that and might even want to say it, for one reason or another, he can’t. And that’s where that last quote of his comes into play… "Not everybody just gets to blurt out how they fucking feel every minute." That on its own, for Mickey, was almost as good as saying it, right then and there. I like to think that Ian understood that, at least partially.

Another important thing to consider while we’re on the subject of Mickey not admitting his feelings aloud, Ian hasn’t exactly been verbally outright, himself. Every time, he’s presented it as a challenge to Mickey’s feelings for him; i.e., "You love me, and you’re gay. Just admit it, just this once," and "if you give half a shit about me…" He’s asking Mickey to say what he hasn’t been willing to say himself.

The very worst part of all of this is that Ian’s at a point where he knows that Mickey is worth the fight. He’s gone to Mickey time and time again in an attempt to convince him that they should be together. The problem is that as much as Mickey wants it too, he’s not in a position to give Ian ALL of himself, something that Ian thinks (rightfully so!) that he deserves.



In a way, yes.
My biggest concern at the time was that they would just move on to other stories and pretend that it never happened, so I was really happy that they really showed how Ian was affected by it. I just really wish that we’d gotten to see how Mickey was dealing with what he’d done.
It’s not just the fact that they had a fight that makes this such a big deal. Even though I don’t think that there’s any way to justify violence in a relationship, their entire relationship was started during a fistfight, for fuck’s sake! Also, I seem to remember Ian punching Mickey in the throat earlier this season, so the kick Mickey landed to Ian’s face, though a little extreme, wouldn’t necessarily cause much of a dent in their relationship.
The biggest issue here is that Ian didn’t fight back. Sure, he literally invited Mickey to throw that first punch to the face, but essentially he was giving Mickey a choice: to admit his feelings, or to do what he’s been doing his entire life and FIGHT HIS WAY OUT. 
Mickey, of course, chose the latter.
I’m not buying that Mickey could have just gone home, slept it off, and been fine with everything the next day. This is the guy he LOVES - he’s spent the entire season SHOWING HIM that he does - and there is absolutely no way that beating the shit out of him didn’t affect Mickey.
As far as any later discussion between the two of them about the fight, I don’t really think it was necessary. The important thing about Ian and Mickey is that their actions honestly DO speak louder than their words. Ian showed up before the wedding with every intention of continuing what they started… he gave Mickey a second chance to make that choice, "If you give half a shit about me, DON’T DO THIS." Mickey still doesn’t see any choice in the matter, but unlike the day of the fight, he’s not trying to push Ian away anymore… he’s trying to resolve the situation he’s in, but he’s also looking for a way to keep Ian.

I think that one of the biggest issues with Ian and Mickey’s storyline is that they have seemed to just come back from every conflict, almost as though it never happened, maybe a bit more familiar and comfortable around one another. But what we’re getting this season is a little more of an idea of how deeply they actually feel for each other, and I think that the fight definitely had a hand in that development!

In a way, yes.

My biggest concern at the time was that they would just move on to other stories and pretend that it never happened, so I was really happy that they really showed how Ian was affected by it. I just really wish that we’d gotten to see how Mickey was dealing with what he’d done.

It’s not just the fact that they had a fight that makes this such a big deal. Even though I don’t think that there’s any way to justify violence in a relationship, their entire relationship was started during a fistfight, for fuck’s sake! Also, I seem to remember Ian punching Mickey in the throat earlier this season, so the kick Mickey landed to Ian’s face, though a little extreme, wouldn’t necessarily cause much of a dent in their relationship.

The biggest issue here is that Ian didn’t fight back. Sure, he literally invited Mickey to throw that first punch to the face, but essentially he was giving Mickey a choice: to admit his feelings, or to do what he’s been doing his entire life and FIGHT HIS WAY OUT. 

Mickey, of course, chose the latter.

I’m not buying that Mickey could have just gone home, slept it off, and been fine with everything the next day. This is the guy he LOVES - he’s spent the entire season SHOWING HIM that he does - and there is absolutely no way that beating the shit out of him didn’t affect Mickey.

As far as any later discussion between the two of them about the fight, I don’t really think it was necessary. The important thing about Ian and Mickey is that their actions honestly DO speak louder than their words. Ian showed up before the wedding with every intention of continuing what they started… he gave Mickey a second chance to make that choice, "If you give half a shit about me, DON’T DO THIS." Mickey still doesn’t see any choice in the matter, but unlike the day of the fight, he’s not trying to push Ian away anymore… he’s trying to resolve the situation he’s in, but he’s also looking for a way to keep Ian.

I think that one of the biggest issues with Ian and Mickey’s storyline is that they have seemed to just come back from every conflict, almost as though it never happened, maybe a bit more familiar and comfortable around one another. But what we’re getting this season is a little more of an idea of how deeply they actually feel for each other, and I think that the fight definitely had a hand in that development!



Shameless parallels: 2x08/3x11

This is actually fucking FANTASTIC.

Because what I see is how in the first one, Mickey steps back and extends his hand only far enough to stop Ian without touching him… whereas in the second one, he puts his hand out with the intention of laying it against Ian’s chest.

He’s not afraid of the contact in that second gif, he just needs Ian to slow it down for a second. He doesn’t jerk back with two or three panicked steps backward as in the first gif, he just takes a single step to keep a bit of distance, probably in an attempt to collect his thoughts.

The first Mickey is definitely freaking out a little, resorting to separating himself completely from what he sees as a potentially huge problem in his life. He’s looking out for Ian as well, but at this point, he’s already decided to cut ties. However, in the second gif, we’re seeing an older, more level-headed Mickey whose biggest goal is to make sensible decisions that make his and everyone else’s life easier. He doesn’t want to stay away from Ian, in fact he’s decided (even admitted aloud, for fuck’s sake) that he wants Ian in his life regardless of whatever else is going on.

This new Mickey has started to accept who he is and what he wants, opening up to Ian and showing that he cares for him which, to Mickey, is a big fucking deal. Even if he has to hide it from the outside world, he’s willing to show Ian what he feels, even if he feels as though he can’t say it. And that makes all the fucking difference.





On the subject of Mickey Milkovich 

[I’m prepared for some serious backlash for this one… but somehow, I’m sure there’s at least someone out there who may agree with me!]

As usual, I can’t even BEGIN to guess where the writers of Shameless are taking this, but the biggest part of me actually kind of wants to see a marriage/fatherhood storyline play out for Mickey.

Now, hear me out. I will never NOT ship Ian/Mickey. Literally, they are my favorite thing about the show, and all I want is a chance to see them happy together. However, I enjoy the show (as well as Ian and Mickey as individual characters) for so many reasons other than my OTP. And this whole storyline is such a good opportunity for some serious character development for Mickey.

I want to see him in more of his own scenes that don’t revolve around Ian. I want to see him struggle emotionally with living the life he’s been forced into. I want scenes that feature him dealing with the fact that he’s married to a woman, but still loves being fucked… not just by Ian (though that’s definitely a plus), but by other men in general.

I am absolutely DYING to see a side of Mickey that Ian doesn’t see, that NOBODY sees. Even just the complications of being forced into a marriage he doesn’t want, a marriage with a prostitute, no less. I’d love to see Mickey accept the fact that he’s going to be a father (even though I’m not yet fully convinced that the child is his); Mickey’s first priority has always been survival… he knows how to take care of himself and rolls with the punches, and I can honestly see him just expanding on that to start taking care of not only himself, but his kid.

Also, more selfishly, I’m thinking that Mickey with a baby would result in both some comical and super emotional moments for him, and those are things that I NEED.

Noel can act his ass off, and as much as I love this pattern of Mickey:

  • letting Ian in
  • hurting Ian
  • suffering emotional turmoil as a result of hurting Ian
  • then fucking himself over because he feels he has no choice, leaving Ian to blame himself

I crave more diversity in the actions of my favorite character. Any storyline that is Mickey’s, and Mickey’s alone, has my approval!

[For the most part, I highly doubt that they will take this particular storyline all the way to Mickey playing daddy, even if it IS his kid. Of course, I was of the camp that, after last season, said “there’s no way they can come back from what Mickey said to Ian so easily… they won’t just jump back into it right away!” And yet, somehow, the fucked-up-ness of these characters STILL manages to take me by surprise, EVERY SINGLE TIME.]



casey2j:

I ask one thing and one thing only, a beautiful and perfect Mickey and Mandy scene. Yes, I need more Milkovich in my life

I ask myself with each passing episode WHY THIS HASN’T HAPPENED. I was so sure, when they were both announced as series regulars, that we would get at least a few scenes. To me, the biggest tragedy would be the season ending without us getting a single moment between the two of them.

I can’t WAIT for Mandy to find out about Ian and Mickey, mostly because I’m curious as to what her reaction would be. Personally, I can see her being royally PISSED with Mickey because there’s no way she doesn’t think Ian is too good for her brother. But the biggest part of me is dying to see some kind of heart-to-heart between her and Mickey, after which she begrudgingly accepts it because, yeah, they really are kind of in love.


Of course, I can’t exactly see Ian outing Mickey (even to his best friend), or Mickey actually admitting to his sister what’s been going on between him and Ian… at least not just yet. And anyway, I’m more than willing to wait forever for a Milkovich Family Moment.



See, the thing is, Mickey’s hurt Ian before, and that kills me. But Mickey refuses to admit (even to himself) that he cares enough about Ian to ever be hurt by him. But his actions (the jealousy toward Jimmy’s dad, the openness he’s shown toward Ian, etc.) say otherwise. Mickey tries his hardest to be the baddest guy in town, the guy who doesn’t need (or want) anyone, but he’s gradually shown more and more of the person he really is, and more importantly, the person he could be.
He’s progressed so much through this relationship he has with Ian… consider the fact that he was the one to kiss Ian first, he trusted Ian enough to ask him to participate in the things he was into (hello, anal beads). Those aren’t things that Mickey took lightly, and as confident as he seemed about it (remember, liking what he likes doesn’t make him a bitch!), it took a lot of trust, and a lot of courage, for him to get to those points.
At this point, we’re seeing Mickey shut down because of what happened, he’s maybe thinking that opening up and letting Ian in that little bit wasn’t worth it, because of what it resulted in. That on its own is hurting Ian, but at this point, I think that Mickey genuinely cares for Ian too much for it not to be hurting him, as well.

See, the thing is, Mickey’s hurt Ian before, and that kills me. But Mickey refuses to admit (even to himself) that he cares enough about Ian to ever be hurt by him. But his actions (the jealousy toward Jimmy’s dad, the openness he’s shown toward Ian, etc.) say otherwise. Mickey tries his hardest to be the baddest guy in town, the guy who doesn’t need (or want) anyone, but he’s gradually shown more and more of the person he really is, and more importantly, the person he could be.

He’s progressed so much through this relationship he has with Ian… consider the fact that he was the one to kiss Ian first, he trusted Ian enough to ask him to participate in the things he was into (hello, anal beads). Those aren’t things that Mickey took lightly, and as confident as he seemed about it (remember, liking what he likes doesn’t make him a bitch!), it took a lot of trust, and a lot of courage, for him to get to those points.

At this point, we’re seeing Mickey shut down because of what happened, he’s maybe thinking that opening up and letting Ian in that little bit wasn’t worth it, because of what it resulted in. That on its own is hurting Ian, but at this point, I think that Mickey genuinely cares for Ian too much for it not to be hurting him, as well.

(Source: shamelessus-confessions)



amanda-says-x said: "What if we get Mickey acting all possessive and fighting over Ian?! That would be even sexier than they already are!!!"

God, a slightly possessive Mickey will be SO FUCKING AWESOME. Imagine if this Ralph guy is a character who is actually very likable to us and who, despite our best efforts, leaves us no choice but to like him? It’s entirely possible. And imagine if said likable character went head-to-head with MICKEY FUCKING MILKOVICH once or twice, becoming actual RIVALS, all over our favorite Ginger!

My one fear about this idea is that they could go overboard with Mickey’s possessiveness. Don’t get me wrong, Mickey is a fighter, and that’s one of the MANY things I love about him. I would be sorely disappointed if he just gives up; we know he’s got feelings for Ian, and I NEED to see him act on them. But I don’t want it to get creepy, and I DEFINITELY don’t want to see him somehow made into “the bad guy.”

But think about it though. I’ve seen Noel pull off the most conflicted, entirely tragic characters, and do it in a way that makes you still feel like you could be on their side, even if they do some fucked up things. So I think that any mistakes Mickey makes could be forgiven, and I’m just DYING to see a new side of him.